::It may also be said that people who are "forced to Grow Up by circumstances" sometimes get trapped in childhood, and find it very difficult to become more GrownUp than the GrownUpness required by that particular circumstance. --Admiral
They get to stay up late, do whatever they want, don't have to go to school, and are not afraid to play with girls.
Unless they're teachers.
GrownUps deal with their own shit, are not reliant on charity to get by, financially or psychologically.
I might disagree. Being in a position of absolute, or even partial, dependancy (sp?) upon another person is very humbling. I would suggest that the above is actually a rather prideful view and therefore not entirely GrownUp, even though it is also the case that running to Mummy/Daddy?/spouse/whatever every time something goes wrong is also immature - SunKitten
Mph.. I think there's room for debate there. There's a difference between being forced into it by circumstance/disability/whatever or depending on someone for some things as part of a tit-for-tat relationship of some sort, and choosing to not pull one's own weight or clean up after oneself at all despite being capable of it. I think it's the latter, rather than the former, that OP is referring to. Does that make any sense? - MoonShadow
Would it be fair to say, "GrownUps take responsibility for those things for which they really are responsible"? --M-A
Yes - I agree that not pulling one's weight is a characteristic of an immature person, and that M-A's phrasing is rather better than the original - SunKitten
I think the concept of "dealing with their own shit" is not entirely covered by "pulling their own weight". Counter example: someone who tries really hard to help contribute, but keeps screwing up in the same way (eg addiction to gambling) and refuses to learn, instead relying on those about them to pull them out of the mess.--DR
I think it covers it fine, just slightly less vehemently. After all, someone who gambles and relies on others to help him/her is not exactly pulling his/her weight, are they? But M-A's original phrasing covers both without excluding those who are truly dependent through no fault of their own - SunKitten
GrownUps are not ruled by their fleeting emotions, but have the self discipline to be able take the long view when they choose to. Whether that is investing money rather than spending now, or cooperating with people they don't like personally to get a job done.
GrownUps take responsibility for their own decisions and for being who they are.
GrownUps know there are nasty people in the world, and can deal with reality as is - ie realise not everyone is nice, well intentioned, is going to like or appreciate or respect them.
GrownUps are aware that they themselves are not entirely rational beings, that people change, that not everyone can get on or can have their opinions changed by rational argument. Not every problem has a solution. Not every story has a happy ending. You don't always get to be the hero or the winner.
I'll agree - are we describing an adult, or a saint? --Vitenka
I think we're describing a stereotype, a set of traits which are what one would describe as GrownUp. Most people won't fit them *all* the time. Some kids will fit them quite a bit of the time. But when a kid "seems quite GrownUp for her age" or "was forced to Grow Up by circumstances", the reason why that's been said will often be something from the list above. --AlexChurchill
It may also be said that people who are "forced to Grow Up by circumstances" sometimes get trapped in childhood, and find it very difficult to become more GrownUp than the GrownUpness required by that particular circumstance. --Admiral
See also the AdultConspiracy?, wherein GrownUps try to protect children from knowing about some of the nastier more depressing aspects of life, such as TheBomb?, rapists, paedophiles, torturers, racists, etc. There ain't no SanityClause?.